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Thursday, November 08, 2007

Live Debate 01 - Jack Vs. Jenn From www.screwliberals.com


I'm Jack Clark, host of the Blast the Right podcast, two years old and going strong.

If this is the first time you're listening to Blast The Right, you can check out last week's podcast if you want to know what the regular, prerecorded show is like. That's the show which is the most listened to grass roots progressive podcast in the country.

What you're about to hear right now, is a half-hour debate I recently had on Blog Talk Radio with Jenn from www.screwliberals.com. She hosts the show Jenn's Jungle Republic Radio.

The agreed upon topics were Iraq and health care.

Please note that the audio quality is not as good as my prerecorded show, and that there are a couple of mild expletives which I bleeped out.

Jack Clark 1:40 PM [+]
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Comments:  This section is for listeners. To receive a reply from Jack Clark, you should call the comment line.

Wow, that Jenn is a sad callous woman. You probably know that people like Jenn cannot be convinced of the things we believe in or even swayed a tiny bit. (My parents are like Jenn, I love them, but their attitudes are sickening.)

You did a great job in that debate. You're well versed in debate technique and quite skilled at it. I applaud you. In addition, not only did you accurately state relevant facts, but you were versed in their "facts," like the myth surrounding moving WMD to Syria.

The only thing I noticed was that Jenn said a few times in the Iraq sequence that she agreed with some of your assertions (after she had mocked them.) You could have capitalized a bit more on that, by repeating her capitulation.

The other thing is that out here in radio land, those few people who can be swayed by this debate reject the ugliness of her attitude. Allow her wallow in it.

Thanks for your show.
posted by Blogger Cay Borduin  4:49 PM   [+]
Jack, I only recently started listening to your podcast, but this debate has made you my new hero.

While I agree with most of Cay's comment, I don't think you needed to capitalize on any of Jenn's flip-flops as she did a great job of looking foolish without your help. Although she acknowledged that she wasn't on her A-game due to personal circumstances, it obviously didn't damper her misguided convictions... but STILL she had no sensible reply to most of your points.

My favourite moment, by far, was when she was so clearly in the wrong (and so clearly recognized it) that she was reduced to uttering one mere meaningless word, "Whatever." And the slight awkward pause that followed was brilliant... really allowed it to sink in how pathetic her stance was.

"Whatever." It's what young children say in a playground when walking away from a fight over an action figure. As a word, it means nothing, it achieves nothing, it only serves to dismiss.

Congrats on backing a right-winger into a corner she couldn't counter with logic or fact, but could only dismiss.
posted by Blogger Unknown  4:22 AM   [+]
I agree it was strange when she agreed with the motivations for the war, despite mocking them earlier.

I was also taken back when she portrayed the uninsured so callously, and then admitted she had no insurance herself.

Private insurance gets very expensive when people abuse the system in this way, only paying premiums when they are high-risk.

Since she probably is a low-risk individual, she will just count on the taxpayers to foot the bill if a severe health condition strikes.
posted by Anonymous Anonymous  11:37 AM   [+]
Jenn says she's a smoker. So she's a high-risk individual counting on the taxpayers to foot the bill.
posted by Blogger Cay Borduin  12:33 PM   [+]
Well done, Jack
I've been listening for over a year now and this was a great display of your grasp of the facts. You left her flailing. I'd be happy to hear another debate with her or other right wingers.
I noticed on her website she doesn't have the debate anywhere. Gee I wonder who she thinks won.
posted by Anonymous Anonymous  2:58 PM   [+]
A small observation. I went over to Jenn's blog. She is very fond of heaping tons of vitriol on the people to the left of her.

Her blog also plays music. The music? Pearl Jam! The band led by anti-war, anti-Bush Eddie Vedder. The Eddie Veder who sangs some great songs at Ralph Nader's rallies. Who speaks/sings at many anti-war rallies. At the end of the Peal Jam song she tells of a fond memory of meeting Veder (and doing drugs with him)!

The significance? I am not sure. But I find it ironic that the right doesn't have to much music to put to their politics. I will listen to Hugh Hewitt, and his bumper music is Bruce Coburn who sang so powerfully against U.S. intervention in Central America.

Nothing about this says that a the Left perspective is correct, and the Right is wrong. But it must mean that the Left has better artists!

Hey righties, get your own music! Have fun only listening to Ted Nugent and Charlie Daniels, and some country (and we still have some country music on our side)!

And while listening to this debate, Jenn seems to just want to emulate Ann Coulter.
posted by Blogger Sheldon  3:13 PM   [+]
Two softballs that Jack really could have hit out of the park:

1. She said that her parents paid into Medicare so they deserve the service. Except they didn't they paid the benefits of the people receiving Medicare while her parents were working.

2. She stated that if you can't afford Healthcare don't have children. Which is opposite to every other right winger, since that would require objectionable birth control (RU-486, condoms, and the pill).

I understand Jack had a really short amount of time but these two incidences of right wing hypocrisy got me yelling at the computer.
posted by Blogger Democratic Grup  6:00 PM   [+]
Two softballs that Jack really could have hit out of the park:

1. She said that her parents paid into Medicare so they deserve the service. Except they didn't they paid the benefits of the people receiving Medicare while her parents were working.

2. She stated that if you can't afford Healthcare don't have children. Which is opposite to every other right winger, since that would require objectionable birth control (RU-486, condoms, and the pill).

I understand Jack had a really short amount of time but these two incidences of right wing hypocrisy got me yelling at the computer.
posted by Blogger Democratic Grup  6:00 PM   [+]
wow !!! great job. I am always
open to listen to right wingers,
but she said nothing of substance.
You buried her. Awesome job.
You taught us how to blast the
right and you lead by example.
Fantastic, you're my hero!
posted by Blogger Unknown  12:38 PM   [+]
I was open minded looking forward to hearing the other side of the debate,since I am well versed with Jacks views and not always in agreement.I found Jenn lacking in substance and faltering in her ideology.Her final reaction to Jacks strong delivery was`whatever.....`.
She did not draw me nearer to her viewpoint with any of her comments.
Her apathy towards her fellow man showed quite clearly .She only cares about herself and what she needs and wants and is prepared to pay for.
Final score,Jack 10,Jenn 3.I would not waste my time listening to round two,since she is no opponent for Jacks debating skills.
Carole,UK listener.
posted by Anonymous Anonymous  8:05 AM   [+]

Great debate with Jungle Jenn. I thought you were very kind and understanding of her plight (i.e. her being displaced by the CA wildfires). I also think she would've been beaten like a gong by your logic and facts even if she was 100%. She might've even been at 100%, her comments and lines of thought seemed consistent with those on her awful website.

Towards the end of the debate Jenn refuted your points by telling you to "get your head out of your @$$." Later, she playfully (?) called you a "moonbat".

I think it is the result of moral and idealogical bankruptcy that causes people like Jenn to resort to name-calling; they can't refute factual evidence; they can't claim moral justification for their actions; so they smear. I share many of your views, so I guess to Jenn I'm a moonbat with his head up his @$$ and a danger to America too. I KNOW that's BS in your case and mine, and I'm sick and tired of being labeled as such.

Like many of the other commenters, I feel its a waste of time trying to convince Jenn of the truth. She's one of the "conversatives without a conscience" that John Dean wrote about. However, some of her listeners might be regular folks who can make up their own minds and engage in critical thinking--and I think it is for these people's sake that you do your debates with conservatives. name-callers. Hopefully every debate like this will win you some new listeners and the country new progressive voters.

Keep up the great work, Jack! And thanks a million for everything you do.

posted by Blogger M.R.F  11:57 AM   [+]
You did a great job in this debate! I enjoyed it more than the scripted shows.
posted by Anonymous Anonymous  9:16 AM   [+]
I felt a little bad for Jenn, the poor little right winger seemed a little unprepared… and crazy.
Uninsured, smoker . . .
Maybe she’ll join our side when she develops cancer and needs a doctor.
Nice job Jack! You destroyed her in a very nice professional way. I salute you!

Ps. Update your Myspace!
posted by Anonymous Anonymous  9:10 AM   [+]
Jack cut this vicious little right-wing sociopath to pieces. He masterfully took apart all her empty neocon talking-points with detailed facts.
What a skillfull debater. I wish Jack could get more mainstream media attention.
posted by Anonymous Anonymous  12:13 AM   [+]
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